612 트럼프 김정은 회담은 북한과 미국이 협상을 성공시키기 위해 진정한 역사적 조치들을 취할 것이다. a truly Historical measures
강경파로 알려진 마이크 폼페오 미 국무장관이 김정은 국무위원장과 대화 이후 더 진지하게 북미 회담을 꼭 성공시켜야 한다고 생각하는 것같다. 미국 민주당-공화당 주류 전통적 외교방식을 깨버린 트럼프 행정부가 북한과의 회담을 성공시켜 트럼프 집권을 안정화시키려고 무진장 애를 쓰고 있다는 인상을 받았다.
아래 5월 13일 미국 상업방송 채널 폭스 뉴스와 대담 요지이다.
1. 김정은과 대화하고 나서 받은 김정은 인상 비평은, “아마도 이 뉴스도 김정은이 볼 것이고, 지금 우리가 다루고 있는 복잡한 주제들에 대해서도 잘 알고 있다.” 김정은은 북한 사람들을 위해 무슨 목적을 달성해야 하는가를 잘 알고 있었다. 그의 대화도 전문가다웠다.
2. 북한 비핵화되면 미국 민간(사기업) 자본 투자자들이 북한 에너지 산업 건설에 참여하겠다.
3. 북한과 미국과의 협상은 하나 주면 하나 받고 이런 식이 아니라, 미국과 북한이 과거에 전혀 실천해보지 않은 “크고 특별한” 협상과 거래가 될 것이다.
4. 마이크 폼페이 전임 CIA 부장 John Brennan 존 브레넌이 “김정은이 사람을 잘 속이는데, 트럼프도 김정은에게 속고 있는 것이다”라고 한 말은 말도 안되는 바보 같은 이야기이다.
5. 김정은과 트럼프는 이번 6.12 싱가포르 회담을 꼭 성공시키려고 노력해오고 있고, 그럴 것 같다.
6.
존 볼턴(John Bolton)은 북한 핵무기 프로그램을 미국 테네시 오크브릿지로 다 싣고 와야 한다고 말했는데, 이 문제는 6.12 회담에서 트럼프와 김정은이 구체적으로 협의할 것이고, 아직 정해진 바는 없다.
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Secretary Mike Pompeo previews upcoming Trump-Kim summit-
Secretary Mike Pompeo previews upcoming Trump-Kim summit
'Fox News Sunday' exclusive: Secretary of state on the release of three American detainees from North Korea and President Trump's strategy for Iran.
This is a rush transcript from "Fox News Sunday," May 13, 2018. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.
CHRIS WALLACE, HOST: I'm Chris Wallace.
North Korea announces it will blow up its nuclear test site as a gesture of goodwill leading up to the landmark summit with president Trump.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)
DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: You know what gets you into nuclear wars? Weakness. Weakness.
MIKE POMPEO, SECRETARY OF STATE: If Chairman Kim chooses the right path, there is a future brimming with peace and prosperity.
WALLACE: We'll preview next month's summit and discussed the president's decision to pull out of the Iran nuclear deal with Secretary of State Mike Pompeo in his first interview since returning from North Korea.
Then as the high-risk, high reward summit approaches, what happens if the two leaders can't make a deal? We'll ask retired Admiral Mike Mullen, former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. It's a "Fox News Sunday" exclusive.
Plus, tensions spike in the Middle East as Iran and Israel faced off across the Syrian border. We'll ask our Sunday panel, will this trigger a wider war?
And our "Power Player of the Week," the changing role of the USO as the military's home away from home.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We will no longer working with young men who were being drafted into the military. All of a sudden, we have families.
WALLACE: All right now on "Fox News Sunday."
(END VIDEOTAPE)
WALLACE: Hello again and happy Mother's Day from Fox News in Washington.
North Korea has scheduled what it calls a dismantling ceremony of its nuclear test site ahead of President Trump and Kim Jong-un's Singapore summit. That's now less than one month away. A plan to negotiate a nuclear deal with North Korea comes as the president pulls out of an agreement with Iran and Mr. Trump says he wants to signal the kind of hard bargain he'll demand from Kim.
In a few minutes, we'll discuss this moment, what happens next with Iran and growing tensions in the Mideast with Secretary of State Mike Pompeo in his first interview since he returned from North Korea this week.
But, first, to Kevin Corke at the White House with the impact of dramatically changing U.S. policy around the world -- Kevin.
KEVIN CORKE, FOX NEWS CORRESPONDENT: Chris, senior White House officials characterize the president's recent foreign policy decisions, each by the way with major global implications, in four simple words: promises made, promises kept.
But a more nuanced assessment might be even simpler: America First. That's because whether it's North Korea, Iran, Syria, even Israel, what you have no is a clear departure not just from the previous administration's approach, but from Washington orthodoxy. In each case, for example in North Korea, you also have a policy of engagement based (ph) in subtle aggression but also tempered by the promise of cooperation.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
POMPEO: America's track record of support for the Korean people is second-to-none. If North Korea takes bold action to quickly denuclearize, the United States is prepared to work with North Korea to achieve prosperity on par with our South Korean friends.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
CORKE: In the Middle East, the administration's rejection of Washington orthodoxy also on display as Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump represent the country as the U.S. embassy moves from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, a move seen as a symbolic and a diplomatic stake in the ground and full throated support of the Israelis, and against the growing influence of Tehran in the region, which was further disrupted by the president's decision to break the terms of the Iran nuclear agreement this week.
There is talk, Chris, that decision by the president emboldened the Iranians to attack the Israelis. As you know, the Israelis struck back, hitting Iranian targets in Syria. It is also certain they have tacit support in Washington to do so -- Chris.
WALLACE: Kevin Corke reporting from the White House -- Kevin, thanks for that.
And joining us now, the new and very busy Secretary of State Mike Pompeo.
Mr. Secretary, welcome back to "Fox News Sunday."
POMPEO: Good morning, Chris. It's great to be with you.
WALLACE: Let's start with breaking news. First of all, that savage attack last night in Paris, a Chechen knifing, killing one person, wounding four others. What can you tell us about a possible link to terror?
POMPEO: We don't know much more. We know that the caliphate ISIS has claimed responsibility that he was one of their soldiers. We can't verify that yet. The French authorities with all the intelligence help the United States can provide will do our best to unpack this in the coming hours.
WALLACE: OK. Let's talk about some other breaking news. The North Koreans announced yesterday that they are going to blow up their nuclear site in 10-12 days. How big a development is this and is that, we believe, their only nuclear test site?
POMPEO: Chris, it's good news. Every single site that the North Koreans have that can inflict risk upon the American people that is destroyed, eliminated, dismantled is good news for the American people and for the world. And so, this is one step along the way. I had a good set of meetings this past week aimed at heading exactly this direction.
WALLACE: I want to go back to the comment and Kevin just played it. Your comment on Friday that if Jim chooses the, quote, right path, the U.S. is prepared to work with North Korea to, quote, achieve prosperity.
What does that mean as far as direct U.S. investment in North Korea and are we as part of this willing in effect to guarantee Kim's security? That regime change will be off the table?
POMPEO: Chris, here's what this will look like. This will be Americans coming in -- private-sector Americans, not the U.S. taxpayer, private-sector Americans helping build the energy grid. They need enormous amounts of electricity in North Korea, to work with them to develop infrastructure. All the things that the North Korean people need, the capacity for American agriculture to support North Korea so they can eat meat and have healthy lives.
Those are the kinds of things that if we get what it is the president has demanded, the complete, verifiable, irreversible denuclearization of North Korea that the American people will offer in spades.
WALLACE: And as part of that are we in effect saying to Kim, if you give us what we want, you can stay on and power?
POMPEO: We will have to provide security assurances to be sure. This has been the trade-off that has been pending for 25 years. No president has ever put America in a position where the North Korean leadership thought that this was truly possible that the Americans would actually do this, would lead to the place where America was no longer held at risk by the North Korean regime. That's the objectives.
When I said earlier this week that I think Chairman Kim shares the objectives with the American people, I'm convinced of that. Now, the task is for President Trump and he to meet to validate the process by which this would go forward, to set up those markers so that we can negotiate this outcome.
WALLACE: Do you have any problem -- given Kim's history and the history of his family as an oppressive regime, any problems with the idea of the U.S. -- even if we get our deal -- in effect giving the security guarantee to the Kim regime?
POMPEO: Look, we'll have to see how the negotiations proceed. But make no mistake about it: America's interest here is preventing the risk that North Korea will launch a nuclear weapon into L.A. or Denver or to the very place we are sitting here this morning, Chris. That's our objective, that's the instate the president has laid out, and that's the mission that he sent me on this past week -- to put us on the trajectory to go achieve that.
WALLACE: Let's talk about denuclearization, the objective. Two weeks ago, national security advisor John Bolton sat in this very seat and he told me that the U.S. negotiating position going in is that Kim has to ship out, has to dismantle and take out of the country all of his nuclear weapons, all of his nuclear infrastructure, all of his long-range missiles before the U.S. will grant any concessions.
On the other hand this week, Kim met with Chinese President Xi and he called for, quote, "phased and synchronous measures". In other words, action for action. Have you and Kim agreed with the sequencing is? Is it all of actions by him first or is it step-by-step and is that something, as I said, that you've agreed with, or is it something that Kim and the president will have to work out at the summit?
POMPEO: Chris, we've had discussions on how this would proceed. There's still a great deal of detail to be worked on. In the coming weeks, we will continue to work on that so we can be in a good spot on June 12th in Singapore for President Trump.
But make no mistake about it: we've done this before, right? We've done trade for trade, moment for a moment. You give me X, I give you Y, and it has failed repeatedly.
I think Chairman Kim understands that. I think he appreciates the fact that this is going to have to be different and big and special, and something that has never been undertaken before. If we are going to get to this historic outcome, both sides have to be prepared to take a truly (Historical) measures to achieve it.
WALLACE: And how confident are you? Because you're going to be putting the president of the United States in a room with Kim in Singapore with the whole world watching. How confident are you that not only he understands it, but that he's going to have to -- that he's going to deliver on our expectations?
POMPEO: Well, to quote President Trump, we'll see, right? We are not to the place yet, but we should be remotely close to declaring that we've achieved what it is we want. There's a great deal of work that remains. Our eyes are wide open with respect to the risks, but it is -- it is our fervent hope that Chairman Kim wants to make a strategic change, a strategic change in the direction for his country and his people. And if he's prepared to do that, President Trump is prepared to assure that there's going to be a successful transition.
WALLACE: All right. I want to talk about that. You said that we understand and John Bolton talked about that nobody in the administration is starry eyed. The president has been raising expectations for this summit, saying he thinks that they're going to make a great deal, now his phrase. Your predecessor at the CIA, John Brennan, says he thinks that's playing into Kim's hands.
Take a look.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I think we're going to have a success. I think this will be a very big success.
JOHN BRENNAN, FORMER CIA DIRECTOR: I think he has been masterful in how he has manipulated perceptions and how he's manipulated and quite frankly duped Mr. Trump.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
WALLACE: Is it a mistake for the president to predict a, quote, great success?
MIKE POMPEO, SECRETARY OF STATE: I think former Director Brennan's remarks are silly on their face.
We are going to enter into a set of discussions with two nations doing their best to achieve outcomes for their own people that are consistent with their objectives and goals. I think we now understand that there is the potential that there are shared objectives and our mission is to prepare the groundwork. We are pretty far along the way in doing so and we'll continue to work in the days ahead, 30 left to prepare for June 12th.
So, the president can have a successful outcome that the two of them can meet and see if there is sufficient overlap so that we can achieve the ultimate objective for the American people.
WALLACE: After you brought the American hostages home and the whole world celebrated that, President Trump praised Kim for releasing them in that praise, not the release of the hostages, but that praise upset some critics. Take a look at this.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
TRUMP: Kim Jong-un did a great service to himself, to his country by doing this.
SEN. CHUCK SCHUMER, D-NY, SENATE MINORITY LEADER: We can't be fooled into giving the North Korean regime credit for returning Americans that never should have been detained in the first place.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
WALLACE: According to your State Department's latest report, North Korea still holds at least 80,000 political prisoners in its labor camps and other facilities. Is human rights an issue in this summit, or is this just going to be about the nuclear issue?
POMPEO: Yes, Chris, the administration is always concerned about human rights. It's the case not only there are political prisoners that remained in North Korea, there are Americans held around the world by other rogue regimes too. I can assure you, this administration -- I saw it in my role as director of the CIA and I've seen it now in first two and a half weeks as secretary of state -- is intently focused on achieving the return of each of those as well.
We had a success this week. We are happy for those families and for America that those three Americans returned home. But we recognize there is much more work to do. We still have Americans held and we are working diligently on behalf of each and every one of them.
WALLACE: When I -- people found out that you were going to be on the program today, they all of question I must say I did, what is Kim like? With the possible exception of Dennis Rodman, you had spent more time with him than any other Westerner, at least two and a half hours, the way I figure it.
What is he like? Give us any kind of personal insight. How aware is he of what President Trump has been saying? Was there any mention of little rocket man?
POMPEO: Well, I've got a lot fewer rebounds than Dennis Rodman, but I did get to spend a great deal of time with Chairman Kim. The conversations are professional. He knows -- he knows his brief, he knows what he is trying to achieve for the North Korean people. He is able to deal with complexity when the conversation requires it.
He does follow the Western press. He will probably watch the show at some point. He's paying attention to things the world is saying. He too is preparing for June 12th.
He and his team, we'll be working with them to put our two leaders in a position where it's just possible we might pull off an historic undertaking.
WALLACE: Was there any mention of the exchange of insults back and forth?
POMPEO: No, we didn't cover that, Chris.
WALLACE: That's probably wise.
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Pompeo signals Trump seeking long-term agreement with North Korea's Kim, in summit
Joseph Weber By Joseph Weber | Fox News-
Pompeo details North Korea summit plans
Secretary of State Pompeo meets with South Korea's foreign minister ahead of June 12 summit with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un in Singapore; national security correspondent Jennifer Griffin reports.
Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said Sunday that North Korean leader Kim Jong Un’s vow to destroy his country’s nuclear-testing site is “a good first step” toward a summit agreement between Kim and President Trump, but repeated that both sides will have to take unprecedented steps.
“Kim understands this will have to be big and special,” Pompeo told “Fox News Sunday.” “I think Kim appreciates the fact this is going to have to be different. . . . If we can achieve an historic outcome, both sides have to come to play.”
However, he suggested that a phased-in or action-by-action type of negotiation between the leaders, as Kim has suggested, has historically failed.
“We’ve seen this before, and it’s failed,” Pompeo said.
Pompeo spoke after traveling last week to North Korea to negotiate with Kim on his final detail of the summit with Trump and to secure the release of three Americans imprisoned in the country.
Trump announced Thursday that the summit will be held June 12 in Singapore.
The president will trying to get Kim to give up his nuclear arsenal in exchange for economic support.
Pompeo also suggested Sunday, in his first interview since returning from North Korea, that the United States seeks a long-term agreement with Kim, not a so-called “regime change to replace him.
“Our hope is that Kim wants a strategic change, and President Trump is prepared to help,” the secretary said.
Pompeo also provided some specifics about how the U.S. might help North Korea, saying it would be through private-sector investment, not taxpayer money, and that it would focus on improving the country’s power grid and improve the Koreans’ food supply
Pompeo said last week that he told Kim while in Pyongyang that the United States aspires to have North Korea as a "close partner," not an enemy.
Pompeo, a Harvard Law graduate and former Kansas congressman, was Trump’s CIA director until the president nominated him in March to be secretary of state. The Senate last month confirmed Pompeo to the post as the country’s top diplomat.
On Tuesday, Trump said the United States was withdrawing from the international Iran nuclear deal, brokered in 2015 by the Obama administration. The U.S. will now re-impose sanctions on Iran, which remains in the deal with five other nations.
Pompeo has said talks last week with Kim were "warm," ''constructive" and "good" and that he made clear that if North Korea gets rid of its nuclear weapons in a permanent and verifiable way, the U.S. is willing to help the impoverished nation boost its economy and living stands to levels like those in prosperous South Korea.
"If North Korea takes bold action to quickly denuclearize, the United States is prepared to work with North Korea to achieve prosperity on the par with our South Korean friends," he said.
Pompeo repeated that position Sunday.
Since Trump announced plans to hold a summit with Kim, questions have been raised continually about whether the two leaders have the same objective in mind when they speak about "denuclearization." To the U.S., that means the North giving up the nuclear weapons it has already built. But North Korea has said it's willing to talk now because it's already succeeded in becoming a nuclear-armed state, fueling skepticism that the North would truly be willing to give up those weapons.
Pompeo said there would need to be "complete" and "verifiable" denuclearization that would remove North Korea as a threat to the rest of the world. He said a major inspection and monitoring regime would be required to ensure the North's compliance.
The Associated Press contributed to this report.
자료 : 북측 DPRK 신문기사
Kim Jong Un Meets U.S. Secretary of State
Pyongyang, May 10 (KCNA) -- Kim Jong Un, chairman of the Workers' Party of Korea and chairman of the State Affairs Commission of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea, Wednesday met Mike Pompeo, secretary of State of the United States of America who is on a visit to the DPRK.
The respected Supreme Leader Kim Jong Un warmly greeted Mike Pompeo and sincerely congratulated him on his recent official assumption as secretary of State.
He welcomed the U.S. state secretary's visit to the DPRK and had a photo session with him.
Mike Pompeo expressed thanks to Kim Jong Un for sparing time to meet him, saying that he came to the DPRK to personally convey the verbal message of the U.S. president and prepare the DPRK-U.S. summit.
Then he conveyed Kim Jong Un the verbal message of Donald Trump, president of the U.S.A.
After hearing the verbal message, Kim Jong Un expressed thanks, highly appreciating that the U.S. president has shown deep interest in settling the issue through dialogue.
He exchanged with Mike Pompeo the appraisal and view on the acute situation of the Korean peninsula, which is now a pressing matter of the whole world's concern, and the stance and opinions of the supreme leaderships of the DPRK and the U.S. on their summit.
He said that the coming DPRK-U.S. summit would be a historic meeting for the excellent first step toward promotion of the positive situation development in the Korean peninsula and building of a good future.
At the meeting, an in-depth discussion was made on the practical matters for holding the DPRK-U.S. summit and its procedure and ways.
Kim Jong Un reached a satisfactory consensus on the issues discussed with the U.S. state secretary.
He accepted an official suggestion of the U.S. president for the release of Americans who have been detained in the DPRK for their anti-DPRK hostilities, and gave an order of the chairman of the DPRK State Affairs Commission on granting amnesty to them for their repatriation.
He gave a high appreciation of the talks with Mike Pompeo that produced satisfactory results.
Mike Pompeo expressed thanks to Kim Jong Un, saying that they are heartily grateful to him for the cordial hospitality accorded to them during their visit to Pyongyang and for the very beneficial talks which reached a full agreement. And he showed his resolution and will to strive for the successful DPRK-U.S. summit as the U.S. secretary of State.
The respected Supreme Leader exchanged parting words with Mike Pompeo and saw him off, promising to meet again. -0-
(2018.05.10)
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